The cover image for the episode on You Tube is done in the same 1980s zine-style as the Find Your Freaks podcast brand. You see a black-and-white xerox-style cutout of Tonya Kubo with a full-color cutout of Nikki James Zellner. Nikki has her hair pulled back in a braid and is sitting cross-legged with her hands in her lap as if someone just told her a joke - wide, bright smile. The ultimate mix of classy casual. The title of the episode, Not on My Watch, is written out in ransom-style letters with her name and the name of the show.

006 – Not on My Watch with Nikki James Zellner

How one mom turned a daycare emergency into a movement for change

Sometimes life reroutes us in an instant. For Nikki James Zellner, that moment came on an ordinary daycare drop-off day in February 2020. By nightfall, she wasn’t just a working mom anymore. She was a mother whose children had narrowly survived carbon monoxide poisoning.

What followed was the kind of pivot nobody plans for. Nikki discovered a loophole in state safety codes, one that didn’t account for daycares or schools to be equipped with carbon monoxide detectors. Instead of filing a lawsuit, she decided to speak up. That choice transformed her into a watchdog for systemic change — and eventually the author of a framework that helps everyday people see themselves as changemakers, too.

This conversation is about carbon monoxide, yes. But it’s also about lived experience, the courage to be “that mom,” and the difference between visibility and impact. If you’ve ever wondered whether your voice matters, Nikki’s story is proof: what you’ve lived is enough to lead.

Episode Highlights

  • [03:39] The daycare carbon monoxide leak that changed everything
  • [07:38] From one phone call to a statewide (and national) problem
  • [16:05] Lap dogs, guard dogs, attack dogs, and watchdogs explained
  • [24:42] “If you’ve lived it, you’re qualified to lead it”
  • [29:31] Visibility vs. impact at the community level
  • [38:50] Fighting burnout and redefining wins
  • [44:45] Output vs. outcome: measuring what you can control

Lived Experience as Leadership

What would you do if your children came home poisoned from daycare—and the state law made it perfectly legal? For Nikki, the answer wasn’t obvious at first. She admits there were days she stayed in “blame mode,” replaying whose fault it might be. But her journalism background pushed her toward questions instead of anger.

What she found shocked her: a building code loophole that had likely endangered kids for decades. The discovery sparked a new identity. Nikki’s value system shifted, and so did her sense of responsibility.

If you’ve lived it, you’re qualified to lead it. — Nikki James Zellner Share on X

The Four Dogs of Change

Not every activist wears the same collar. Nikki outlines four types of community responders:

  • Lap dogs: passive until told otherwise
  • Guard dogs: loud online, but inactive offline
  • Attack dogs: angry, reactive, and often ineffective
  • Watchdogs: persistent, informed, and solutions-oriented

It’s not that one group is all bad or all good—most of us cycle through them. But Nikki makes a compelling case for why watchdogs, not attack dogs, create lasting change.

We confuse visibility with impact. The watchdog makes the change, even if nobody notices. — Nikki James Zellner Share on X

Impact Over Credit

While other parents sued their schools, Nikki deliberately chose not to. Lawsuits, she explains, can silence families through nondisclosure agreements. She wanted her story public, not buried.

Instead, she created resources any parent could use: audit checklists for schools, template letters for lawmakers, and even a Watchdog Way quiz that helps people see their advocacy style. These tools have rippled far beyond her own state—used in places like Michigan, Louisiana, and Wisconsin.

A win doesn’t mean setting your life on fire. A win is steady, small progress. — Nikki James Zellner Share on X

Fighting Burnout, One Win at a Time

Big systemic wins are rare. Nikki cautions against measuring success only in sweeping legislative changes. Instead, she urges would-be watchdogs to track their output, not their outcome.

For her, that looked like visiting one daycare a week in Alabama to hand out resources and have conversations. One hour, every week. By year’s end, 52 schools had new knowledge, resources, and alarms.

It wasn’t glamorous — but it was impact.

Freak Flags Fly

Before we let Nikki go, we played a round of Freak Flags Fly. Here is how she responded:

  1. You’re my kind of freak if… you nerd out on things you care about.
  2. Something you love that your friends don’t get: serial killer documentaries.
  3. Community you’d infiltrate just to understand better: MAGA.
  4. Tool or ritual that keeps you connected: monitoring CO incidents and engaging journalists on Twitter/X.
    Someone doing freakishly good work who deserves a bigger stage: Dr. Amanda Crowell, author of Great Work and host of The Great Work Podcast.

Meet Our Guest

Nikki James Zellner is a brand advisor, creative strategist, and citizen advocate who turned a near-tragedy at her children’s daycare into a movement for carbon monoxide safety. She’s the founder of The Watchdog Way and the forthcoming book of the same name (early 2026), which helps everyday people take small steps to create big change in their communities.

Meet Your Host

Tonya Kubo is a community strategist, marketing consultant, and rebel with a cause: helping people find the place where they truly belong. For nearly two decades, she’s built online spaces that feel less like comment sections and more like chosen family. She’s the fixer you call when your Facebook group has gone straight-up Lord of the Flies and the bouncer at the door of internet nonsense. As the host of Find Your Freaks, Tonya brings together unconventional thinkers and bridge-builders who know “normal” was never the point. Her favorite spaces? The ones where the freak flags fly high.

Episode Transcript

Get the full transcript from Episode 6.

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What’s Next

Nikki reminded us that lived experience is a powerful credential, if we’re willing to act on it. But it also leaves us asking: whose experiences count, and which voices do we listen to when the story isn’t easy? In Episode 7, we explore advocacy from another angle—and why the most powerful leaders are often the ones who never planned to lead.

Tonya Kubo

Tonya Kubo

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Tonya Kubo is founder of Team Kubo Community Management. She supports experts, entrepreneurs, and enterprises in developing highly engaged online communities so they can grow their groups and get results without feeling frazzled. See the team in action at tonya.link/group.

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